And they were using all the habitat. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. But you've done some reporting on this. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. So. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. We'd love to have you in the queue. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. Yes. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. John is calling from Bennington. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. There's no attraction. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. No that's a little bit outside the range. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. It's listed as population of least concern. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. I don't know if she still is. So so. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. Peter Biello: Well yeah. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. That's pretty elaborate. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Less successful males roam further. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. So it's there was no question in my mind. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Oh you saw him online. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. You know interactions are pretty unusual. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Caller: Oh hi. Mike thanks for your call. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. Like why would you want one wildlife. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Well within there. We'll push great photos to the front page. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. So take care of this problem. brings a lot of. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Have it reported down in the Keene area. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. John. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. 1,470 likes. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. The brother and sister big cats have lived . Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. Pelosi story here we go. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Tim Yeah. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another.
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